Subject: Re: IOU: Safrai article
From: Simeon Chavel (schavel@Princeton.EDU)
Date: Mon Oct 08 2007 - 13:05:08 EDT
For Hebrew Bible roots see e.g. Lev 10:3; Ezek 36:23; Amos 2:7
- Simeon Chavel
On Oct 8, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Jacob L. Wright wrote:
> I apologize for my remark. It was merely an attempt to introduce a
> bit of humor into this discussion of whether Safrai's article is in
> Hebrew and how one goes about ordering articles. I was not aware
> that it had anything to do with the question whether Kiddush Ha-
> Shem served as a term for martyrdom in the 1st Century. (The
> subject was and still is "Safrai article".)
>
> My personal opinion on this question (since Jeffrey has asked me
> whether I have anything to say on this topic) is that the
> expression, found in Rabbinic literature (it is quite rare in the
> Yerushalmi but increases in frequency in later medieval sources),
> would indeed have described an act of martyrdom already in the 1st
> cent. (It - and the related expression that developed out of it,
> "Chillul Ha-Shem" - would not have been limited to a description of
> this act.) The earliest witness to martyrdom in 2 Macc does not
> draw on the concept, but uses language strikingly close to the
> Yisurin shel Ahava of Pirkei Abot. The inscriptions from Beth
> She'arim from later times use a related expression for martyrs in
> Rabbinic literature ("kedoshim") to describe the brothers. The
> earliest date for the BS evidence would place us in the 2nd cent.
>
> But I work on the Iron Age and early Persian period, and thus will
> leave the issue to 1st cent. experts.
>
> Jacob L. Wright
> Emory University
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson"
> <jgibson000@comcast.net>
> To: "First Century Judaism Discussion Forum" <ioudaios-l@Lehigh.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: IOU: Safrai article
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Jacob L. Wright" wrote:
>>
>>> Oy! This List has such great discussions!
>>
>> Oy! indeed, especially given that your remark is an example of
>> the very thing
>> you seem to be complaining about and does nothing to raise the
>> level of List
>> discourse.
>>
>> Have you anything to say on the topic at hand -- i.e., whether
>> the idea of
>> "hallowing the name" was synonymous with martyrdom in the Judaisms
>> of the first
>> century?
>>
>> JG
>> --
>> Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon)
>> 1500 W. Pratt Blvd.
>> Chicago, Illinois
>> e-mail jgibson000@comcast.net
>>
>>
>
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